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Title: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: greymatter on May 14, 2007, 01:04:15 PM
I have been trying to figure out the model and year of a table I bought used because I have never seen one like it.  The cabnet is the grey marble like the Storm II.  It has counter balanced men, the thicker competition grade rods, split bearnings, and the 1 1/2" side walls.  However it does not have the adjustable leg levelers or ball returns of any kind.  In fact I have to reach in to the goal to retrieve the ball, that is if it doesn't bounce out.

I am curious about the table, mostly because it has such an odd mix of high end and low end features.  I have noticed that the surface has a very slight sag toward the center which leads me to believe it has been around for a couple of years. I was wondering if there is a fix for the sag that would prevent me from having to buy a new surface.  If I do end up buying a new surface how do I prevent this from happening to the new surface.

 >edit<  This is a Tornado Table
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model???
Post by: marty on May 14, 2007, 03:37:47 PM
is it a tornado, what color are the men
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model???
Post by: greymatter on May 14, 2007, 05:42:30 PM
Oh, I am sorry.  Yes this is a tornado table I am asking about
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: grandmaster on May 14, 2007, 07:29:34 PM
Is there a serial # anywhere?
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: Speedway on May 14, 2007, 07:58:50 PM
There is no ball return at all?
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: greymatter on May 14, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
There is absolutely no ball return, I have to reach in the goals.

I can't find a serial number anywhere on the cabinet.

I've had a difficult itme getting any info on the table, I will try and post a pick in the next day.  It's a good heavy cabinet
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: greymatter on May 15, 2007, 10:41:50 PM
It turns out this table is a first generation Storm model. 

I would like to thank Charles over at Tornadofoosball.com for helping me discover the tables history.  He also told me that having a playfield that is warped has no solution other than buying a new surface.  Anybody want to argue he's wrong?  Still looking for a way to flatten out the playfield.  It is barely warped, but it is warped a little.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: marty on May 16, 2007, 04:24:16 AM
so whats the history
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: greymatter on May 16, 2007, 11:28:25 AM
Duh, sorry its a first generation storm table.  Charles opinion was that this was the best model ever produced and that the playfield shouldn't have warped.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: JimWaterman on May 16, 2007, 03:59:48 PM
The "Home Model" or HM2000 table was the 1st "non-coin op" table that Tornado made....

Here's a link to our "OLD" sales page which shows a picture of the HM2000, but WITH the newly added end-drops!
It's from Mid-June 1996.... so your table predates that modification to the HM.

http://web.archive.org/web/19970210064630/www.foosball.com/jimbo.html
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: marty on May 16, 2007, 04:06:37 PM
i wonder if a guy took it out and put it on a flat surfice and put like a
part of a sheet of pliewood our any think flat and added a bunch of
weight like from a weight set maybe in time poss steam it first but
would not try unless you was sold on geting a new one in case it did not work out , your best bet would to talk to a cabanet carpenter
our the like
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: greymatter on May 16, 2007, 04:25:29 PM
Thanks Jim! Thats a great piece of foosball history. 
Very cool,
.

It totally looks like the HM2000 with out the ball end drops.  The description says it has the thinner rods, but got out some calipers and the rods are .156" thick like the competition rods of today.  I was thinking of flipping the table upside down and placing 20 lbs on the middle of the surface for a day or two.  I don't want to mess with moisture.  I imagine I will buy a new playfield sooner or later anyway.

When I first got into foosball some pals of mine and I all rented a house and one of the fellows purchased that "Time Play" Model in 1996.  It is wierd I have A table from that same year and one of the very first Home versions.  It seems far sturdier than the home models from the local pools shops these days.

Thats totally a great

Thanks
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: grandmaster on May 16, 2007, 07:28:58 PM
One radical solution proposed by a nonfooser that I heard was to put a fifth leg on the table. Put it right in the middle of the playfield and start screwing the adjuster up gradually so as to reverse the sag. I recall at the '90 worlds in Dallas I was looking in a coin op with top up and seeing screws in the top rails of the ball run and realized that this was an attempt to prop up sagging playfields over the course of time. It was kind of a jerry rig affair and looded like it might push the bottom of the cabinet eventually. The fifth leg was a consequence of a conversation with an open minded cabinet maker who listened to my story about sagging playfields on tornado. I discounted this solution at first because it wouldn't help on a coin op. I bet it might work on a table with an open bottom like an older storm model.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: JimWaterman on May 17, 2007, 05:55:43 PM
...The description says it has the thinner rods, but got out some calipers and the rods are .156" thick like the competition rods of today...
The "thinner rod" was referring to a LARGER hole in the middle of the rod... or a "Thinner-Walled" hollow rod.... same .156" outer diameter!!! but a thinner walled rod... with a bigger hole in the center.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: grandmaster on May 17, 2007, 06:24:32 PM
Jim- Do you really mean .156" "outer diameter" ?Or is it a measurement of wall thickness of the tube the rod is made from? We used to call the new, current coin op bars "heavy hollow bars" because they are heavier than the old hollow bars made from thinner tubing. The nominal dimension for foosball rods on the outside has been 5/8" or around .625" for as long as I've been around. The first time I saw a set of "heavy hollow" bars was in 1984 at Doug Furry's place in Lexington, Minnestota. If I remember correctly, Doug said that they were a compromise between solid steel bars that were on Tounament Soccer tables and the hollow bars then  in use on American tables. He said Johnny Lott sent them to him to try out and see if he liked them. Even if Doug didn't like them, everyone else does. I credit Johnny Lott for this inovation until someone else can explain where "heavy hollow" bars as Doug called them originated.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: greymatter on May 17, 2007, 08:38:10 PM
Hi

I just measured, my bars are .625" outter diameter.  It turns out that only one five rod and one three rod are thick and the rest are the thinner lighter rods.  The table appears super fresh but that could be as a result of awsome cleaning, I don't know.  It is hard to believe that the table recieved much use because one of the men on the black two rod was backwards when I got the table and about half of the bumpers were backwards.  That, and who bends a five rod needing it replaced?  It's a mysterious table that just keeps getting more mysterious.  However it's been getting me really excited about playing and I can't wait to get back out to some local tournaments and see how I do.  I've got my brush pass working and my pull shot is coming around. 

You guys have been a great help in helping me discover more info about my table and how old it is which I am very interested in.  To bad about only having two thick rods.

Thanks
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: JimWaterman on May 18, 2007, 02:56:43 PM
Jim- Do you really mean .156" "outer diameter"?
Yup... haven't you seen them yet??? you have to get all NEW men with very small holes in the center!!   
:)  :)  :)

Doh!   You're exactly right GrandMaster!    I was typing faster than I was thinking... AGAIN!
Have a great weekend all!   JimW
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: JimWaterman on May 18, 2007, 03:01:47 PM
... It turns out that only one five rod and one three rod are thick and the rest are the thinner lighter rods....
That's pretty common... folks would upgrade their 5-bar and shooting 3-rod for practicing at home... So.. .when they go to the local foos public location... they would not have to adjust as much for the different speed/feel/timing of the home/public location.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: grandmaster on May 21, 2007, 09:52:00 PM
Jim,
For the ultimate upgrade in the rod department, especially the two rows, I use Tournament Soccer solid rods. After all, they never bend and Sumption says solid rods are the BEST! As far as I know I am the only one using solid rods to enhance the performance of Tornado Table soccer. My game shows it.
Title: Re: Replacing a playfield? Year make and model??? Tornado. . .
Post by: JimWaterman on May 22, 2007, 05:43:59 PM
...As far as I know I am the only one using solid rods to enhance the performance of Tornado Table soccer. My game shows it.

Really?  your game shows it in "A GOOD" way?   hmmm... when you go to your local public locations and play on the "standard" Tornado rod... how much adjustment time do you need for "timing"?    Had it really added a boost to your "speed/performance" of you long pulls out of the back?

Cool, i may have to try this - anyone else been doing this?    JimW