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Well...
I tried and succeeded in filming with my left while trying to give an impression of what my dribble no-telegraph style backpin looks like. I will be putting up some other variations thorughout the day.
Pinalyzer
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Good video's, I would be interested to see the other back pin's. If anyone has a person that can play decent defense and film 5 minutes of 3 bar backpin shooting on a defense so I can see the best way to make it effective I could try to make it work.
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Pinalyzer...Nice :). You use the wrist most of the time..huh? I like to walk(dribble) the ball like that too.. But I usually do the open-handed backpin...for me it depends on the d given, but if they leave me a split then I use a wrist brush, it's quite effective. As for the push side if I'm not doing the open hand I'll use the far man to get it past deadman and brush it in that way. That's when I start to incorporate the pullkick into the mix >:( Say, How do you put it on youtube after you've filmed it?? Then I could show you what I mean!!! :)
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do you already have it on your computer so you can watch it? once it is on your computer it is pretty easy to put it on youtube. Just go to youtube.com and make an account, it is free and easy to it. Then click upload, it will ask you for a title and description of the video. fill those out and it asks you to find the location on your computer. just hit browse then find it, select it and it will just download it off your computer(or upload it from your computer). It will give you a link and you can copy and paste that to the forum.
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Hey 69,
I think that I might start incorporating the pull kick in. It is just that with so many options and all matches seem to be 2/3. I have to really limit my shot selection. Imagine that I would use all the options and the match would be over and I would still have a few left to do.
When I go to the far 3 man it is just a crowd pleaser for me, I find that I can get it in with just the middle man. The grip is what makes it so unique is that I grip it so my arm seems in front of the rod and I just lift up and slam. I am looking forward to going home and experimenting with the open hand options. That is one of the things I like about the shot, except for the fact that I can shoot it 24/7 and my hand never gets tired, that there are so many options. I have a whirly type of shot I used to see Johnny Vias(sp?) do that I like to throw in and the twirl over I am working in so I can do some shots after the twirl (Seen on the reverse push Back pin video before I go into shooting mode.
As far as putting on Youtube, I just sign up and go to upload videos.
I filmed mine on my digital camera's movie mode, most have those now adays. And then transfered to my documents. Then when it said where to upload from I just selected it from there. You tube converts it to the style and as far as the other info they ask, just do your best.
John
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Thanks Pinalyzer!!!! I will try and get some footage. I no longer have a table or a camera..So it might be a minute before I can do it but I'm going to work on it asap!!! I'm gonna have to slow it down abit so people can see what actually happens in the shot process...The shot is so damn fast..Then on the next shot I use the shot that you use and smoothly put it in...This way they never know if I'm going to slam it or finesse it in!!!!The pullkick out of it is a great option let me tell you..Try it I think you'll see what I'm talking about...You can go super short, middle or long from it!!!! You can even do a deadman pushkick short with the wrist and it works beautifully. ;D I was surprised how easy it was to do and natural it felt..so I use it quite abit now!!! Hey try this shot..I think you'll love this since you shoot a backpin!!!! Set the ball up as if you were going to shoot a pull...now move the ball to the backpin position..making sure it's in one motion..as soon as you get it in pin position do your dribble slightly...go back to pull position then back to pin and now smoothly brush it in the middle...I use this shot ALOT and I promise you It will work..You can even do a moving straight from it as well (to keep them home)Now your goal is even bigger to hit...Try it and let me know how you did.....Peace!!!!
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do that same thing and when the ball is pinned, shoot a push pin...this works a ton for me but if you did the sneaky shot you are talking about first, it would be even more open...or the other way around he, he, he
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Hey BBtuna,
It came to me that since you say I don't know who you are, then how about a formal introduction,
I am John Davis
http://www.foosball.com/2t/gallery/#D
btw, you guys are giving me a heck of a lineup for the next tourney. I am going to do each one in order and let you all know how it went,
Pinalyzer
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John, nice to meet you...I am Charles Dangler...I have tons more stuff if you want we can exchange ideas as BP shooters...we need all the support we can get if you know what I mean, and I know you do :P
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so you know Kurt Timmel. I played with him in a draw way back. His chip passing series and energy on the table were fun to watch.
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After watching the videos I have mad two assesments. First being that you tend to favor the side you are shooting at - now don't get mad at me it could just be the way it looks on youtube with that camera angle, but every time I'm able to read which side you are shooting at, with the exception being your reverse which looked wicked raceable.
Secondly - I would most likely shut that back peen down.
nnaaaahhhaaaa
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Kurt was a very best friend...last Friday was a very special day in my life it was a day he and I marked on our calendars and called each other every year no matter what else we were doing and almost never missed after 20 years
4/4 marked the day we jumped in his car and packed all our belongings in Chicago suburbs and took off for CA...it was quite an adventure...my half sister lived in Hollywood and she got us hooked up with a friend of her who lived in Huntington Beach and he lived a couple blocks from Highway 1 very near the big peer
our first day there we found a BYP at a big "arcade" right next door to Grauman's Chinese Theatre which had a $100 guaranteed first place on Mondays...it was Monday...we had sworn off foos for a while but this was too tempting and we needed the money...we won 11 weeks in a row and 12 out of 13 before Kurt left to help his mother move to AZ
I don’t know if you know Jevat Meha (best offensive goalie I have ever seen when he was on) but we were friends and he was my foos mentor in Chicago and after Kurt left, I shortly after found myself out on the street the same day Jevat cruised into town (LA) and he picked me up – Jevat was moving in with Jeep and he talked Jeep into allowing me to come with…I wasn’t there a long time before I got a job in Peoria IL (long story)…Greg was one of the teams that tried to beat Kurt and I for all those weeks…I remember Jeep saying he was going to win worlds one day and dang if he didn’t…very persistent
Kurt lived with me for a short time two different times while I was in KC
Kurt had the best "Uphill" (as we called the chip) of anyone I have ever seen...I didn't think about at the time, but Kurt was a total natural and played better under pressure than at any other time…he had a monster pull for quite a while too…I don’t know if you saw Kurt in his prime (which didn’t last very long) but you would know if you saw him start his pass from the 3rd man out on the 5 bar…this was when he was at his best
I miss Kurt terribly – KT Flame…my very good friend…I don’t know if you know, but Kurt died a couple of years ago…very sad for me, he was depressed after his mother’s passing and he couldn’t make sense of it - I didn’t know about it and he literally drank himself to death…I didn’t know until after a fairly long time of us not talking, I tracked his number down only to be told by his wife (married a short time) that he had died…she knew I was a best friend, Kurt and her had called before seeking counseling for drug stuff but she never called…I try not to be mad but it is hard
I am not really totally over it, I am very frustrated I couldn’t talk with him and try and help him…I think of him often especially this last Friday…probably the most tragic thing that has ever happened to me…I loved him like a brother and I miss him
I will post some old pictures…did you know Greg Whales too then since they were like two peas in a pod…Greg was Kurt’s regular goalie
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I knew (sorry to hear of his passing) Kurt when he live out here in Arizona. He could coast with his skills on the table and was having a lot of fun. But he could get intense as well.
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Sniffer....
I was filming the shots with my left hand and watching both the view screen and the table. My goal was to give everyone an idea of the shot, not what it looked like in best form. It is truely my goal to not telegraph the shot, it is not meant to be shot without that part included. At least not against anyone giving a decent defense on it. I will keep that in mind the next time I shoot it, but yeah with filming it and everything I just wanted to dribble and hit the hole. To execute, that is hit the holes, is one part, to maintain the dribble at various speeds and areas in front of the hole is another part, to not telegraph is yet another part, to read the hole and time the hole is another part, (some might break this into two parts, I don't - Read and Time, and react). It is a bunch of parts that I practice to do them all every shot. I do give some fakes, but that is usually in the shooting motion.
Blockable, sometimes, could you maybe, but it is a pretty darn good shot, can you really be everywhere at once, are you watching the ball? Tough out as they would say in baseball, so to anyone that thinks they can block it I say bring it.
The Pinalyzer
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some pictures, late 70s early 80s...oh, to be built like that again...sorry, some of these were scanned so you get some unrelated pics
Long before the dress code, my idea of what players should look like...Kurt Timmel lower right pic in grey sweat shirt and towell around his neck
I am the guy in the black sports attire, red and white glove, sporting my first and last mustache...an early 80's porn stash
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/2401116115_4af0d84178.jpg?v=0)
Kurt Timmel relaxing in KC upper and lower left and CD Karate late 70s
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/2401945448_8c7ee94d3a.jpg?v=0)
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Jevat Meha left
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2255/2401116065_7848c344b9.jpg?v=0)
lft to right CD, KT, and Greg Wales
Kurt's dad own a place in AZ and was a piano bar guy...toured as an opening act with Elvis for a time...he got us to do Hounddog..KT did lead and Greg and I were the "Doo Waas" we were the Foosbrothers...our first and last appearance
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2401945384_f8067fa1d0.jpg?v=0)
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Blockable, sometimes, could you maybe, but it is a pretty darn good shot, can you really be everywhere at once, are you watching the ball?
Well, and I'm just being honest here. It looks like every other back pin I've seen. I know a few old school players who have decent back pins except for the fact that they're extremely inconsistent.
I don't need to be everywhere. I just need to be in front of the ball. hmnaaaahh - seriously though I would just leave the straight because it's impossible to hit from a back pin. Don't try and deny it - the only way you can get it is from a reverse and I should block that on accident.
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I will say this though. I was very impressed by your long/deadbar. It was out there!
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people who approach me thinking the backpin can not go straight quickly learn that is not true...
I just read this from another thread and can't believe my eyes. :o
If you have to move the ball even a little bit it's not a straight and gives a read on your shot.
I know all about the brush between options too. FTR I can shoot a good back pin and use it when I'm bored. I like the pull/push kick options off of the set but then that's not really a back pin anymore.
I just got a new camera so I'll see if I can post up some clips of my arsenal of shots. I pretty much can shoot everything near/far side slingshots/back pins/snake/pull/push all the kickshots - tic tacs. Even the front pin although I feel very homosexual after wards.
I know it sounds like I'm bragging but the sad thing is I have been blessed with the natural talent and speed but absolutley zero patiences. So a good goalie can get in my head pretty easily if you know what I mean..
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Sniffer,
I can't speak to who you have played in the past but I can assure you that if you played me, you would not leave me a straight more than a game to two unless you are just slow or stubborn...I here about people who can shoot a backpin but have never met one in person ... in the case of Pinalyzer, FA69, and myself, we are all committed long term backpin shooters...until you face one of us, or our equal, I don't think you have faced a backpin
I am not saying I would score on you all the time or that the BP is a magic shot, but I can assure you, in the right hands, it is as good as any other shot on the table and if we played alot you would come to respect the shot and provide a defense that dealt with the entire goal just like you would any other shot
here is a quote from another post (edited) where I address the straight a little
"...the lack of a straight is the most common comment about the backpin made by people who have never faced a good one...I love facing goalies like this, it is a big advantage until they catch on that they need to defend the middle as much as the corners
you can not raise your man and strike the ball straight and you can not flip it over like you do with a front pin but you can shoot straight off the same exact move as a long in either direction by moving the ball about 1/2 inch and you can,
1. hit it right at that 1/2 inch mark,
2. come back to the hole (not a reverse, more like a moving straight on the pull),
2. or cut back
people who approach me thinking the backpin can not go straight quickly learn that is not true..."
I can't tell you how many times I have heard the whispers of people on the other side of the table who have my shot figured out and I can tell in an instant when they have decided to leave the middle…he, he, he
seriously, I would put up big money against any goalie who left me straight...any level goalie...and I would not do a reverse ever to get there...you can bait me for straight and take it away but then you are playing the straight, but if you choose to leave me straight and cover the corners, I will score close to 100%, the only factor is if I miss hit the ball or you accidentally get in the way
I don't know how Pinalyzer handles the "you can't go straight" defenses but I wouldn't read anything into the videos you saw...he is filming with one hand and shooting with the other and he isn't trying to shoot fast or show you everything that can be done, he is only trying to show the basics in slow enough speed that those who are interested in the mechanics can see how it is done
Sniff,
can you introduce yourself and tell us where you are from? I would love the opportunity to play you sometime and if you promise to give me middle, we can do a forward against goalie battle for say, I don't know, $10 a ball up to???? I don't know, whatever number you want to keep giving me the straight
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Sniff, Sniff, Sniffy
do you have to move to hit a straight on a pull? do you have to move to hit a straight on a rollover? do you have to move to hit a straight off front pin?
the answer to all these is of course, "Yes"...you don't have to move the ball, but you have to move the man so it takes motion to shoot a straight
anyone can have a tell, that is true on all the straights listed above so you can shoot a backpin and have a tell on the straight but you don't have too
we can argue about if moving the ball a little disqualifies it has a straight but I can tell you the people I play with regularly would tell you not to leave me straight and they will never leave that hole without considering the consequences
you can call it a split if you would rather, but you won't leave me a "straight" either way for long and I do very few deep cut backs so that isn't what I am talking about
it isn't a question of if I can hit the ball literally straight, the question is, can you leave me a straight and block my shot by doing this...if I can hit that hole a half dozen different ways off the same move I shoot everything else off of, then the arguement becomes a disscussion in symantics and it looses its meaning
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by moving the ball about 1/2 inch and you can,
1. hit it right at that 1/2 inch mark,
2. come back to the hole (not a reverse, more like a moving straight on the pull),
2. or cut back
Right here you are admitting you can't go straight with out moving the ball. I don't know how else to explain this to you - that is not a straight bro! YOUR MOVING THE BALL! Jeez guy.
...until you face one of us, or our equal, I don't think you have faced a backpin
Wow... that's more than slightly self centered and naive to think your the only 3 real BP shooters. But whatever ok.
$10 a ball up to? I don't know, whatever number you want to keep giving me the straight
I hope you have a fat wallet or I'll be busting you in 3 or 4 games. Also to be more clear I'm not going to leave anything for you. This isn't target practice and I'm not your practice bunny. So you going to have to time the wholes.
Also something else to consider is, by back pinning the ball you are effectivley increasing the distance from the ball to the goal - Front pin/snake is closer to the whole. I think you can figure out where I'm going with this. By increasing the distance to the goal you are in fact giving more time for the goalie to read your shot. You can argue with numbers.
Oh yeah - my name is Paul Ledger and I'm from Florida.
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Paul,
good to meet you..
you said,
"Right here you are admitting you can't go straight with out moving the ball. I don't know how else to explain this to you - that is not a straight bro! YOUR MOVING THE BALL! Jeez guy."
First, if a person has a ball set up for a pull, and move the ball and then shoots in the one hole, what do they call that? Okay, with me on this....aaaa Straight! Pull, move the ball 1/2 inch and shoot the one hole and that is called??? aaaa Straight! Pull, move the ball an inch or inch and a half and cut the ball back to the one hole and what do you call that???? ....yes, a Straaight
but also, as I said in anticipation of your response and I will repeat it since you don't acknowledge it,
"you can call it a split if you would rather, but you won't leave me a "straight" either way for long and I do very few deep cut backs so that isn't what I am talking about
it isn't a question of if I can hit the ball literally straight, the question is, can you leave me a straight and block my shot by doing this...if I can hit that hole a half dozen different ways off the same move I shoot everything else off of, then the arguement becomes a disscussion in symantics and it looses its meaning"
you said,
"Wow... that's more than slightly self centered and naive to think your the only 3 real BP shooters. But whatever ok."
again, you aren't reading the entire post or you are selectively choosing...I said and you quote in your reply, "...until you face one of us, or our equal,I don't think you have faced a backpin"
bud, "or our equal" allows for other backpiners...read and comprehend first, jeez guy
Paul, you can't change the disscussion in the middle of the arguement, I started my reply to you because you said,
"seriously though I would just leave the straight because it's impossible to hit from a back pin."
see where it says, "I would just leave the straight" but then in this post you are back peddling when you say, "Also to be more clear I'm not going to leave anything for you" but a couple of posts ago you were going to leave me the straight and now you are not...hmmm, you are learning faster than most...I smell fear
now, this is a picky point but you said it not me, you said, "it is impossible to hit (a straight) from a back pin"...you didn't say it was impossible to hit the ball straight down when it is pinned...you said, a pack pinner can't hit a straight and I am telling you, if you leave me a straight, you will find that I can hit it, regardless of what I have to do to hit it and you can argue definitions if you want (but even then I think you are wrong) but like I said, you won't leave the straight long if you play goalie against me
Then you bring up a point I already made in another thread, the one you quoted from a minute ago...you say,
" Also something else to consider is, by back pinning the ball you are effectivley increasing the distance from the ball to the goal - Front pin/snake is closer to the whole. I think you can figure out where I'm going with this. By increasing the distance to the goal you are in fact giving more time for the goalie to read your shot. You can argue with numbers."
here is what I said, please read carefully,
it has two weakness, one perceived (besides the straight) and one that is real and has to be dealt with
1st…the ball starts quite a bit further back, relative to the goal mouth than front pins (Euro or rollover) so the ball will take longer to reach the goal because it has to move about 2 ½ inches further at the strike point…however, this is only a perceived issue because the back swing on the backpin can and should be, much less, or nothing, compared with the move used in a open-handed motion of a Euro Pin or the flip motion of the rollover…I have watched a ton of Fred in slow motion, frame by frame and even as compact has his open-handed roll is, it is still quite high so in the end, all things are equal
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Hey BBtuna,
Isn't that the funnest thing when they think they got it figured out and you are just waiting to make the adjustment to their obvious adjustment. I remember reading Pat Riley's book after winning with the Lakers and he mentioned quite a few times how the one that makes the last adjustment wins.
I get...I just match your speed and go back and forth. I love this one because they don't understand yet what I am shooting. You can't shoot middle, O please leave me a middle, it is much easier than the longs each side. I guess you guys are talking about a straight, well I move the ball in dribbling and so as I have spoken to there are multiple starting points with a backpin so where is the straight. Right down the middle, sorry that is the very last thing anyone wants to leave a backpin player, to easy to shoot. I think that it is like someone saying they have seen a pull until they play against Tracy, Gumby or Tommy. It is at a different level. The best thing is when I have been drilling a goalie and their forward goes back to show their goalie how it is done and I drill them. The conversation they have after that is a realization that they better work on scoring and passing because blocking is not the answer and they switch back.
The Pinalyzer
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good to meet you..
Thanks, same to you. BTW who is this?
bud, "or our equal" allows for other backpiners...read and comprehend first, jeez guy
I'm sorry dude but I believe your trying to discredit the BP shooters I've faced, and you are so don't deny that now. If you weren't why even bother writing it.
That's like you saying you can block a pull shot and I say yeah but you've never faced mine so you don't know what your talking about. OK now moving on to this...
Pull, move the ball 1/2 inch and shoot the one hole and that is called??? aaaa Straight!
No it's not, that's called a tuckback. It's not a straight, why are you so dead set on calling your little moves straights? Once the ball moves your not shooting a straight. I will give you this - ok, call it a cutback to the straight whole. You did not shoot the ball straight. For definition purposes let's agree - a straight is when you literally hit the ball straight without moving.
By your definition every shot is a straight because the ball is going straight towards the goal. I mean your being ridiculous.
it isn't a question of if I can hit the ball literally straight, the question is, can you leave me a straight and block my shot by doing this
Put it this way. A goalie doesn't have to worry about blocking the straight at all until you MOVE the ball. Hence a fault in the shot.
this is only a perceived issue because the back swing on the backpin can and should be, much less, or nothing, compared with the move used in a open-handed motion of a Euro Pin or the flip motion of the rollover
Compared the euro pin yes - the rollover has zero back swing - that's the most beautiful part about the whole shot and why it's superior to others. Now if you compare a pull shot to a back pin it should have less back swing. For a BP you have to lift off of the ball to move it, on a pull shot when you slide laterally the ball adjust itself in front of the toe. ALmost no back swing depending on the shooter.
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You can't shoot middle, O please leave me a middle, it is much easier than the longs each side. I guess you guys are talking about a straight, well I move the ball in dribbling and so as I have spoken to there are multiple starting points with a backpin so where is the straight
Hey Tuna look what he did. This guy gets it. It's a middle not a straight buddy. Thank you! At this point I'm not going to bother arguing if you guys are good at the shot or not. That's a moot point and very subjective. I'm arguing the faults in the actual mechanincs of the shot.
If you can show me on video where you can shoot straight with out moving the ball from a back pin I'll shut up. Until then I'm saying the 70's called and wants its shot back.
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I shoot a very good straight pull shot and I still have to move the man over the ball to hit it. I am not starting with the man behind the ball. If you did that you would have a hard time shooting the long.
It is called a straight becuase you are shooting at the hole in front of the starting position. You still have to move the man over so that it is behind the ball even if not doing a moving straight. The lift up straight same thing the man was beside the ball and you move it behind the ball. With a backpin we are shooting to the hole in front of the ball. For a backpin that starts in the middle of the hole that is a straight, thus I said shooting middle. The straight for a push shooter is the long hole for the pull shooter. Are you saying when they shoot a straight it is a long hole because you are using the pull shot as a reference. You don't smash down on the ball, although I think with the proper placement I have seen some backpiners to this, and with a pull you dont smash down on the ball, you move the man over and hit the ball to the straight hole.
Nevertheless, there are some basic flaws in a defense if you leave any good shooter a hole, if they can't hit is they aren't a good shooter with that shot. You were just baiting us with the whole I would leave straight and you can't hit it thread. I am a pro goalie and I would never assume I could leave a hole, I want to win the point, game, match. btw, how can a front pin shoot the straight, they are in front of the ball, they would have to move, or flip the bar over. And from what I have seen the flip the bar over is usually down a little slower and works more as a dink than a power straight such as seen on the rollover and pull. the rollover doesn't do splits as well, but can do a reverse of sorts.
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You were just baiting us with the whole I would leave straight and you can't hit it thread
You can't hit the straight whole with out moving the ball period! That's it man, why do you guys have issue with reality? You can get on here and tell us all about your little juke moves until the cows come home. But that doesn't change anything. FOr a pull shot and a rollover you don't have to move the ball to hit the straight whole. That makes both of those shots superior to your Back pin. Sorry it just does.
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Are you saying when they shoot a straight it is a long hole because you are using the pull shot as a reference.
No, I'm saying they shot a straight because they didn't have to move the ball. ugh
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Charlie I just sent you an email to your yahoo acount.
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Sniffy,
this is getting old, there you go again, totally ignoring what has been said and changing what you said and then just fring off a bunch of dribble...I am all for spirited discussion but you need to remain sound and not continue going off in this direction and that direction...please respond to the following which was written already...
a simple Yes, or No will do...are these all Straights or not? Pick YES or NO
First, if a person has a ball set up for a pull, and move the ball and then shoots in the one hole, what do they call that? Okay, with me on this....aaaa Straight! Pull, move the ball 1/2 inch and shoot the one hole and that is called??? aaaa Straight! Pull, move the ball an inch or inch and a half and cut the ball back to the one hole and what do you call that? ....yes, a Straaight
Unless you know nothing about foosball, you have to answer that all of these are Straights right? Yes or No?
Now, why are these all called a "Straight", even though in ALL cases, the person moves the ball first? hmmmmm? the reason issssss....now wait for it....it is becasue they ALL go to the "straight hole" ... for a pull
now, the straight hole for a pin is wherever the ball is... if I move the ball or the man and then shoot the ball to that hole it is....now wait for it...aaaaa STRAIGHT
again, I don't care if you call it a straight or a split, either way, you won't leave that hole if you want to block me
it isn't a question of if I can hit the ball literally straight, the question is, can you leave me a straight and block my shot by doing this
and last, we will try this again too....
Paul,
you said to start this all off, "seriously though I would just leave the straight because it's impossible to hit from a back pin."
when you say straight here, I just assumed you meant the hole right in front of the ball, right? So, if I can hit that hole, than I can go straight...
you don't know much about the shot or you wouldn't say silly things like this, that is our point...I told you, you leave me that hole, because I can't hit it, and play me defense and I bet $1000 a ball, you start covering that hole pretty quickly and if you start to do that, you can not say, "I would just leave the straight because it's impossible to hit from a back pin"
in the end, that is what we are trying to tell you....if you can't get it after all this, it will take a good trashing by a good backpin before you change your tune
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Paul,
I got your email, thank you very much...feelings are mutual...you are talking about my shot which is not an accepted shot by the foosball community and I think me and the other backpinners are probably a little defensive and it is like you are talking bad about our mothers
it is all good, a little heated dialog is good for both of us...I would love playing you and I am sure we would have spirited games and we would become good foos buds and in the end, I am certain you would change your thoughts about the backpin
I am very impressed with your willingness to email me and make sure we were okay
thanks again, if you can't see what I am talking about, we will just leave it here and agree to disagree and hope we get a chance to play some day
happy foosin and thanks for creating the passion
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Pull, move the ball 1/2 inch and shoot the one hole and that is called??? aaaa Straight!
No it's not, that's called a tuckback. It's not a straight, why are you so dead set on calling your little moves straights? Once the ball moves your not shooting a straight. I will give you this - ok, call it a cutback to the straight whole. You did not shoot the ball straight. For definition purposes let's agree - a straight is when you literally hit the ball straight without moving.
By your definition every shot is a straight because the ball is going straight towards the goal. I mean your being ridiculous.
Tuna breath- please see above. I answered with a resounding NO! They are not all straights. Get out of the time warp and get a real shot- good day sir. Disco is dead too.
Cool Tuna - I also forgot to add that I kid a lot. So I forget people might misunderstand me sometimes.
you are talking about my shot which is not an accepted shot by the foosball community and I think me and the other backpinners are probably a little defensive and it is like you are talking bad about our mothers
I recognize what your saying- I like the shot myslef. I know it's a lot of work to get it where yours and others are at.
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oh, I get how you are, I suppose you are one of those limp wristed spin shooters...those are easy to block too because you can't hit a split with a rollover 8)
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Now your getting me! ha-ha
good one!
But I can totally hit splits... ssssss
I shoot both the Pull and the snake. I used to shoot only Pullbut now that I don't play as much my primary is snake and back up is PUll.
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I 100% guarentee I CAN shoot a straight without moving the ball sideways....Just ask the pro-master in which I shot the shot on...He asked me if I meant it (of course I did) and I did it about five or six times in the match!!!! >:( We ended up putting them out of the tourny...If you place the ball far enough up on the man with out losing it you can basically pinch or squirt it in straght....I promise you!!!!! ;D You can't tell from where the goalie is that I'm setting it up that way 8) I use it alot cause most people aren't expecting it. :P As I said before I want to get it on video and you guys will see a backpin like you've never seen before 8) I've been playing for over 20+ yrs and I can do every shot you can think of... even the front pin with a crazy walk (used to be my primary shot) But I do the backpin the best....(a pull a close second) Both Pappas and Spredeman suggested not to change shots...so that's a compliment to us bpinners....But as for the straight.....It is possible......I know people don't WANT TO BELIEVE but when someone lets me know how to get it on the computer, you can best bet I will post it!!!!!
F69...aka...Anacondabackpin..
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what format is it in right now? tape or minidvd or on a hard-drive? What type of camera is it on? that info would help a lot to tell you how to get it onto a computer.
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So.... Last night I played around with what Anacondabackpin is talking about. Setting it up in the backpin so you can press it out to the staight. While this is not my usual cup of tea, stopping the ball, I do a series where I do stop it, and will try it in this weeks dyp.
One of the problems with the Backpin I have found and I wonder if I am the only one is that I go to a tourney to work on another shot, say a pull. I practice a pull at home and it is fun to then see how it is working at a tourney. However, everyone is like "lets see the backpin". It is such a crowd pleaser and after all the DYPs are usually just for fun, in the brings I play goalie, I end up shooting the backpin. It is cool hearing the oohs and aaws, but the peer presure to shoot it, sometimes makes it harder to work on other shots. Are the crowds at your tourneys persistant in egging you on to shoot it so they can see the shot for themselves. It is not my opponents, but the crowd that seems to do this.
Pinalzyer
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i have played a lot of bar foos over the last few years and i get spectators there from time to time but it is more my overall game - they like my pin because when it is on, I can, and often do hit the ball hard but if a sharp hard rollover steps up, it gets all the same praise
everyone around here is seen enough of my pin that it isn't a novelty - except with the no foosin bar folk of course but for those people, everything is new and wonderous when they see someone playing at a level they never knew existed