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Chat Area => General Chat => Topic started by: Old Meister on December 31, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
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That is true isn't it?
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No offense to Fireball or as matter of fact Fireball USA, I'm a owner of one, my photo's even in the site of
Fireball USA. But I still wish we had a US made table represented by US team in the WC. I know Brad has
done a tremendous job on improving the Fireball brand in the US.
We are USA for God's sake, we should have an American Brand represented...Happy New Year Foos Fanatics!!!!!!!!!!
Best of luck to our US team in the WC.
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Nobody made that argument when Tornado was built in Mexico or where ever they were made.
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I guess you missed it, but there was plenty of bitching when Dumswick moved it to Mexico. Come to think of it, most of the bitching was on the other board where they're a lot less forgiving and more emotional.
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I guess I'm all wet on the subject. Well Brad, if the wheels come off from your and Dennis' partnership you will have to start building them up here in Oregon. That would make everyone happy(except Dennis).
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No offense to Fireball or as matter of fact Fireball USA, I'm a owner of one, my photo's even in the site of
Fireball USA. But I still wish we had a US made table represented by US team in the WC. I know Brad has
done a tremendous job on improving the Fireball brand in the US.
We are USA for God's sake, we should have an American Brand represented...Happy New Year Foos Fanatics!!!!!!!!!!
Best of luck to our US team in the WC.
And which brand could that be? Currently, there's no American table with an ITSF license.
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Dear thebodygroove, I said, I quote myself "I wish we had a US made table..."
So you're right, there's no American table w/ITSF license.
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I would think Fireball will be more to the Euro's liking but then they have less excuses when we kick their butts. ;D
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Gentleman, Fireball is not American made but is heavily influenced by American(s).
After the last 20 months of changes to the Fireball line, one could say that it is built for Americans. The standards that were in place prior to Americans getting involved were not up to TOUR level performance.
Yes, it is made in China and the price reflects that as well. As the importer of Fireball and the supplier to North America I can state clearly that I pay for that license that are on the tables. ITSF is supported by North America and USTSF sees a small part of that payment.
Fireball was chosen by the US Team, as well as the Canadians chose the Fireball table. I am proud that they are playing on Fireball tables.
The European teams will fare better this year on the Fireball style of table.
The Tornado table is a heavy feeling table and the men are much more clumsy for controlling the ball. I am sure that the Euro-Pin style, with the nimble action that the Fireball rods have is much more to their collective liking.
I played last year in Europe (UK Open) on the Fireball table, Tony and I were the only Americans in the 200 or so players. I played against several dozen teams, all with European players. Without exception, they all played stronger on the Fireball table and stated so, both in voice and in action. My Team mate in Open Doubles was not familiar with the Fireball table, but quickly learned his shots with great effect. (5-6th, I think)
We played in Las Vegas in March and completely bombed. He could not, nor does 99% of the European players adjust to the stiff and heavy rod feel of the Tornado table. Hell, I had to play front.
North America had an advantage with Tornado, just like they do with Bonzini, Roberto Sport or Garlando. Fireball is a much more agile <ag·ile ( j l, - l ). adj. 1. Characterized by quickness, lightness, and ease of movement; nimble> table.
Go North America! (really GO USA)
out, Brad Laurine
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Live Stream is up on Kozoom!! Looks fantastic and for the price you can't beat it!!
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and USTSF sees a small part of that payment.
..., Brad Laurine
Um, no, the USTSF does not see a small poart of that payment, not even on the tables sold in the USA. The license Money that used to go to the national federations now goes to the ITSF development fund. It does not get paid directly to the federations. This changed in 2011 (I think).
Pat Ryan
USTSF
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Wow, NOW that really SUCKS.
I think that is NOT the way it should be Pat. For the last 5 years, part of those funds did go to USTSF, now you are saying that it all goes to ITSF. I hope that USTSF gets to stick their collective hand BACK into the cookie jar for support.
Thanks for the update.
Good Luck in FRANCE!
Brad
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Well, I just bought a BRAND NEW ITSF FIREBALL TABLE(!) so I'm putting in my 2 cents worth.
Since I'm an American and I just bought this table in America, I'd like to see some of my "taxes" spent a little closer to home, i.e., USTSF. More importantly, What I'd really like to see is for the ITSF and/or the USTSF grab the IOC by the shirt, shake them vigorously, and yell in their face, "Put Table Soccer in the Olympics, you morons!" The Olympics has Ballroom Dancing and Upside Down Underwater Swimming but they don't have Foosball! Give me a break. How many millions of people have to play this game before the IOC gets the message?
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Buckshot has a point. I think a big representation to the Olympic committee is needed. With all the quality video and the many countries that compete as well as the format used at Nantes to show that it can be done, I think it is time to make some noise. It's time!
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Foosball and national representation might do better to get in to that can't-help-but-grow demographic.. instead of the Olympics with its corruption, steroid et al problems, massive investment requirements and polarized politics.. Foosball's nowhere near as old as those classic "can't miss" sports and their massive followers. They have major dues-paying followers filling their coffers.
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X-games might be a better fit, at least for starters... IMHO..
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Mr. Killer,
X Games is exactly where this should be!!! I have put more than two cents into that effort. I tried with Tornado a few times when Brunswick was owning it. I, at least, got the thought rolling before being put back on the shelf.
X Games is way, way, way more our demographics and WAY easier to become a part of. I know that big brands would love it.
Thanks, Brad Laurine
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That's why I like you Brad,
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For an ole fooserfogie like moi, you can think real swexy sometimes..
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;D ;D ;D
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And having gone to a couple of Xgames in Phiweee... I KNOW foosball would have full support from any fan of any Xgame.
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From their experience at their local PAL or Boys' or Girls' clubs to their teen centers.. they all are familiar with foosball, with rivalries, with wanting to get better and feel more comfortable with whatever crowd they have to deal with daily. Doesn't matter if they're board riders or moto's or BMX'ers or street or track skaters.. Even the cross-discipline SNOWBOARDERS...
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And for a lot of the older foos faithful... THOSE ARE OUR KIDS! THEY'RE ALREADY THERE!
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No STOOPEED training or orientation (blechhh!) just to explain the game to (for ex) Biathlon or kayaking Olympic fans!
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THEY ARE OUR DEMOGRAPHIC. WE MAY HAVE MOVED ON BUT WE ALMOST ALL CAME FROM THERE.
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The IOC thing isn't about getting foosball in the Olympics, That.Will.Never.Happen, it's about getting recognition by the IOC as a sport (as they currently do recognise to the level of Underwater Snail Racing etc).
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X Games is a competition for action sports.....How does Foosball qualify as an action sport? Are there any double elimination tournaments in X Games? I don't understand how this is a good fit.
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X Games is a competition for action sports.....How does Foosball qualify as an action sport? Are there any double elimination tournaments in X Games? I don't understand how this is a good fit.
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X (as in Extreme) Games was started and is continued to be sponsored worldwide by ABC/ESPN Sports. Inaug was summer 95 in RI. Yes they focus on action sports, and Foosball would prolly start as a side specialty at any X-game. Same as RPS or BeerPong, ESPN style, Xtreme games style over the years in the tents .. if the demographic (which is pretty much a no-brainer) is close enough and the response and audience is big and cool enough ... ESPN and its myriad of sponsors should more than gladly add sponsorship (theirs or their sponsors) and wean it off and have something like the $50,000 Natl RPS championships.. Trick is to get in where the demographics welcome you, not make you kiss old fogies's IOC asses that have no concept or appreciation of competitive foosball.
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Perhaps if we could have some steroid or HGH enhanced foosers we could be more attractive to the IOC.