Ah Lenty,,, I still think he is the best I've played. All these y'tube pros got nothing on Jack. When I moved to Oregon in '79 I thought I was hot sh-t until I ran up against this guy. I worked hard at learning the "UP HILL PASS" like he did it as there was no chance until I did. I finally beat him, I was playing out of my gourd and it took a shot I learned on Garlando's to seal the deal. My single best game ever and it was because he is that good. He is a real nice guy too. How I'd like to play back for him sometime, total old school mayhem. The gal he was playing with was Annette or Net on nwfoosball.com, a real nice gal and a good goalie. In coming back to the game I studied her "D" on the pull as she does really good. I switch from my old to her "new" D and it works well for me. Jack certainly could have gone with a backpin as he can do it all. And like so many of us that are frustrated with the limited play of Tornado tables, these Warrior tables open up a whole new/old realm of possibilities. I talked to Jack and he told me I'd love the Warrior game knowing that I like to shoot pin shots. He told me about some of the big names he beat at Michigan. I'm not going to name drop as he is a class act and I'm not going to take away from that. Jack's for real and it is no wonder that he would have impressed you, that's how he is.