Topic: Single Man Goalie?

[bbtuna]

i love you OM but that is silly...I am not in favor either way but lets keep the direct comparrison to soccer to a minimum...soccer doesn't have ramps in the corner because men can run to the corner to get balls - real soccer doesn't have guys stuck on a pole with no arms - every other rod on the table has a man that can go to the wall and retrieve a ball with the exception of the goalie on a one man table - this has to be address one way or the other...either way creates a situation that is not like real soccer

besides, there aren't walls running the edge of the field of play that you can use to pass and shoot either...look at the size of the ball compared to the man, if this was real soccer the foosball should be much smaller..soccer is played on grass, the goal has a net and is much larger relative to the man size, and the list goes on...this doesn't even mention the rules of play which are significantly different in many ways

the one goalie in soccer is just not an arguement for (or against) of what should or should not be done in Table "Soccer" ... my take, those men really are not goalies because they can't cover the goal...they are just wingmen who, if careful study was done, I think, would be found to cause as much trouble as they do provide benefit

i started on a one man goal, I have gotten used to my wingman buds, but I would easily embarce a one man goalie again and I could live on with my wingbuddies

what I want is a manufacture that is savy in the home market so they can make tons of money and who has a passion for the tournament side of the game and will spend the resources to build a high-quality tournament table and will promote the sport at all levels, find creative ways to build a tour, and find real sponsors...then, I don't care if it is one goalie or five

[Old Meister]

As I hate those invaders of a perfectly good game I have to explore every reason why they don't belong. Soooo, the game was originally meant to copy the game on the field so why those guys? Lol.

[drbones]

Personally I have only ever played on a 1 goalie table, and I can't think of any major benefits to having three guys on your goalie bar.

[EDGEER]

I posted this earlier. 

It makes the game eaisier for the beginner to learn.
They lower the cost of production making the game more affordable to the masses. 
They help prevent slop from going in from the corners. 
They block the *** out of banks.
They are excellent passers and shooters.   
They speed the game up by allowing quicker sets. 
They trap balls that would otherwiser go back to the 3-rod.
They are polite and do not ask to play all the time like the other 3-rod guys.
They are grinders and never complain.
They are the best dressed men on the team.

[bbtuna]

OM, there you go again, " originally meant to copy the game on the field so why those guys" dude, lift your hands and step away from the keyboard

are there ramps in real soccer?  NO!  Why do they have them in foosball?  Because the ball would roll dead over there all the time because the one goalie man can not move out of the goal

now here is the hard part...you either have ramps which are NOT part of soccer or you have wingman who can chase down a ball who are NOT part of soccer...

which is less like soccer...hills in the corner or goffer guys who can run and get balls where no other man can go?

this is simple physics...you can NOT make an arguement for one man based on the "real" game of soccer...

[Old Meister]

Oh beat me and abuse me but I still hate them. If it aint broke don't fix it!

[bbtuna]

i think 25 years on the longest running American tour in history takes them way past fixin something that was broken...and they were fixing something broken...sort of...it was to save money ... but it has been the standard on THE standard American table for nearly 25 years...no other table has lasted anywhere near that long as a tournament table

[bbtuna]

you can hate em, that is cool

[papafoos]

I'm going to keep playing regardless.  I didn't care for the 3-man goalie when they first came out, but now I think I prefer them.  Slop doesn't matter to me, that's my main shot.

[JimWaterman]

...They are polite and do not ask to play all the time like the other 3-rod guys....

Too funny.

Give me my variety!
I really like the "variety" of playing styles on TORNADO tables alone.
I really like the "variety" of tables/surfaces/components and their styles of play
... and as such... i'd like to keep the 3man goalie around for a long time. 

The "3-man" table will live on "forever" in the US, especially since a lot of lower end retail tables started to copy Tornado over the years.      I wish I could be more confident that the larger tournaments in the US won't eventually "narrow" the game's variety that I love.     With the bigger tournaments chasing the "sport" versus "game" of foos, i won't be surprised with an eventualy change in the US.

Whether or not Tornado play/tournaments in the US migrate to 1 man goalie Tornados will remain to be seen.   I suspect ITSF will push for it...  I suspect USTSF will want to fight it (it's my vote)...   I suspect  IFP will try to do what's best for their customers/business/turnout and struggle with the decision.     Maybe they'll  NOT scantion events for a while.    I suspect USTSA will maybe do what Brunswick/Valley-Dynamo pressure them to do.   And I suspect that if ITSF keeps delivering and they push for a narrowing of the game at the "sporting" level I think that change will come to some events in the US.   Time will tell.

 

[JimWaterman]

From what Brad said.. it sounds like they are using the SAME goalie rod as on the 3-man table.  So... the center goalie will have the same range of motion it's always had.

Any one want to bet that some day, Tornado will start stocking "3 rod lengths" instead of "4" like they do now?
The Goalie 3holed rod and Forward 3holed rod are of different lengths today... and the spacing between the 3 holes in those rods are different.   On the good old single goalie TS tables they could use Goalie&Forward 3holed rods that were of the same length and hole spacing.  (It also allowed the goalie more range - so the back-wall aerial was possible)

With DaveC at valley-dynamo seemingly being outnumbered by Biz guys vs Foos guys.... it wouldn't surprise me if a few Biz guys that focus on cost cutting stuff all day will push for streamling the variety of coin op tables and components they inventory.     

[wildcard]

On the good old single goalie TS tables they could use Goalie&Forward 3holed rods that were of the same length and hole spacing.  (It also allowed the goalie more range - so the back-wall aerial was possible) 

Yep, I can remember being able to cheat a little by using that plastic strip around the goalmouth to help guide the ball up and over the center of the goal for easier setup of an aerial.

[Old Meister]

Ah, the "wow factor" those days were when it meant something. Now it is so clinical,,,,