Topic: HOFC Summary

[TSR_Brad]

Intellect, Education same thing...

No, they are far different.

In one breath you try and take the position that you are not saying people's opinions aren't valid and in the very next sentence you explain why people don't have valid opinions. Absolutely classic.

You presume that I think I am always right. My point is that an informed opinion holds far more credence.

otherwise, don't tell me I don't have an opinion of value because I haven't seen what you have seen

You haven't seen what I've seen. There. Snobby enough for you?

are just so tired of us pee-on-big-mouth-know-nothings firing off opinions on things we just can know anything about because we haven't sat in the booth

That's pretty close to the mark. But I also go well past just sitting in the booth. I talk to many, many people at tournaments. I LISTEN to them... what's going on in their foosball world, their ideas, what they like or don't like about an event or foosball in general.

... unfold your new, insightful, and revolutionary vision for the future of foosball

I have no revolutionary vision for the future. Plenty of other people have that area covered.

I wait, bowed and humbled oh mighty all-knowing one, spare this worm your wrath and please, please condescend from your position on high and reveal the truth

Keep waiting. I've got an appointment for crown fitting this afternoon. And after that, I'm having someone feed me grapes.

Wow... I'm feeling a little bit Homey-ish.

[chance37]

brad your comments did come off wrong...sometimes forum posts definatley can be taken the wrong way depending on whos reading it, but when I read what you said, I thought it came off a bit snobby.  But it didnt bother me as much as others becasue I know I don't have to go to the tounaments in vegas or anywhere for that matter to know this sport is in bad shape..To hear it from people that have been around for the ages doesnt make you anymore of an expert...just watch the interviews with Todd,Tommy, Terry and gummy at kentucky and just go to a local bar or pool hall or even worse a Rec center for kids and find a table..thats enough proof for me....but thanks for your insights to the tournment in Vegas I was gonna go, but no beginner events......how can you not like Vegas? 

[EDGEER]

I miss Homey  

It is a little difficult to write down the complexities of our sport.  On one hand you have more and more money being put up for grabs at more and Moore tournaments (Pun intended).  I suspect that if you take a survey, more people played in a tournament greater than $1000 last year than any year since the colaspe on TS.  You also have a group people working very hard to make the USTSF succeed.  You also have Tornado making some needed design changes that the players want.  But then you have the USTSA's two events with shrinking attendance in conjuction with production flaws making there way to our tournaments.  It's is not all bad or all good.

The twins in Vegas are no more than advertisment for Tornado foosball.  The HOFC is important because of the AMOA show is held during the same week.  Sure Tornado would like to get a better value for their advertising and marketing dollars, but in the end they are just that "advertising dollars".  The competition for players between Mary Moore and the USTSA is good in the long run.  Eventually, players will return to the USTSA's tournaments as Mary brings Tour type events to new players.  It is a give and take, right now Mary is taking but in the long run she will increase the player base and thus increase the players that go to Vegas.

[bbtuna]

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[TSR_Brad]

Now you want to toss around insults? This was interesting up until now.

Here endeth the thread.

[bbtuna]

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[Old Meister]

Me thinks you guys, BBtuna and TRSBrad are too much alike to be comfortable with each other. As far as what is good for our sport, the best path to that is to replace the negatives with positives. You can kick a negative around all day long and it will still be a negative.  Good ideas with long term planning are what is needed. Right now there is a resurgence of Boomers coming back to the game and with them their families. Many of those old foosers were 70's and 80's players and find the play of the present day Tornado tables to be disappointing because they can't do the shots that they did before. Ed Geer went along way to rectifying that situation in the new man configuration. A positive. Money is what drove the industry back during the TS tour and it will take some really smart, outside the box, thinkers to create a do-able scenario that once again make the pro tours big and growing. Hopefully without making drastic table changes every other year like TS did.

[deadbarfoos]

there wasnt any Maloney Effect as far as i could see (maybe i missed it ?? ) but i thought this years HOF was the most stress free event EVER! maybe it could be blamed on 200+ something players and it was easy , maybe my attitude improved this time around ,but i was always nice to anyone who came to the stage regardless of the situation. working with Phil/Link on stage was a plus. and i scored better in my events i played in ,its a first step in the right direction

[bbtuna]

OM,
I am not sure I know what you mean by us being alike but it isn't important, I take yours and Ed efforts as a peace making jesture and I appreciate that...I am sorry for letting that get under my skin, I am going to go and edit my posts...I want the same thing Brad and you and others want and that is the game we love to get healthy and exciting...so, I will influence as I can armchair and all and I will encourage anyone eles' efforts to do the same

Deadbar - Ben,

I have been at several tournaments where you worked the front and your customer facing skills are very good, they are lucky to have you...the sport is lucky to have you dedicating your time toward making the sport better and the spot you work at is a place that can not be under-valued...I don't know if I have ever said it before and even though many others have it can be said enough...thank you very much for all you do with tournament management and notification, you do a really fine job...and you have a damn good smart game as well...hope to play you again some time in the future, in the meantime, good luck

[Sniffler]

I have been at several tournaments where you worked the front and your customer facing skills are very good

 This is a good point and I believe it's something Valley has sorely overlooked. They need a customer/player liaison person. Especially for the newer players who come out and don't have a clue how things are run or who to talk to when you have a question. I can tell you my first major when I walked up to the stage with a question nobody would even make eye contact with me. I felt like I was the Home depot.

 On the other hand I went to one of Mary's tournaments as a newbie and she was so nice and understanding. HUGE difference.

The last VIFA tournament I went to was the 2 flight maloney debacle. That tournament sucked rhinocerus and I haven't been back since. That guy was such a full on dick to everybody.

[TSR_Brad]

Let me rephrase... the "Maloney After-affect." Bill ran a lot of people off and they've decided they don't have to put up with it. Hence the horrible turnout. I just can't help thinking back to only 3-4 years ago. I really thought foosball was on the cusp of really taking off... Participation and interest was running very high. Then the "A/B Qualifier - Championships Events - Change-for-the-sake-of-change" fiasco put those hopes directly into the toilet. And I suspect that if Carma had not been there at Worlds there may have been foosball's first lynching.

I don't know if they can reverse that.... they've got a lot of work to do between now and September to do try and turn things around.

And Ben... I think the tournament seemed easier because the ball and chain you've had to wear recently was back in Wisconsin shackled to someone else's ankle.

[papafoos]

I'm glad to see Ben back.  I had just about decided to not go to world's this year, frustrated with the way the bracket were run last year.  When he told me he was going to be back this year, I started reconsidering.  So, if I go to Vegas this September and get pounded, it's all Ben's fault.

Carma was the only shining light last year.  She was kind enough to work with me and not call my match when I had to go back to the room and get Scott.  Try that with some of those other clowns.

Mary is always good in her people relations, as is Link.  Maybe things are headed in the right direction.

[This Week In Foosball]

Brads right. About everything.....plus...for those that didn't know, the "foosball rate" was higher than the regular room rate...That's right.........So if you booked you room under the "foosball rate".........You......Got.....SCREWED!!!

How doe's that feel.....I know I'd be pissed....

Isn't a group suppose to get a discounted group rate?...Isn't that why you ask for the rate?......If it was the same as the regular rate that would be one thing, but when it's HIGHER than the regular rate......hmmmm.......two words.......GOT.........SCREWED.

Makes you wonder.........whats up with that.

see you at worlds....lol.

comments welcome.

[B,inSA]

this week in foosball has been crazy for me

[Old Meister]

Good to see you take the high road Bbtuna. I respect your introspect. A valuable quality for sure,,,