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2 hand push "spin" shot
« on: April 21, 2008, 12:07:09 PM »
First of all hello everyone, Im an old time Fooser never played in any tournaments but was pretty much the best in my area bar crowds.

Anyway I'm not up with the lingo really but I have mastered (right hand) what we call the pull shot, push shot, rear "toe" Push and pull shots", Front "toe" pull and push shots, tic tac passing, Bank shots etc...


Well one shot we use I am not even sure is legal so I really don't use it much.

It starts as a strait push shot from the middle 3 man, as you are pushing the ball the left hand come off the 5 man bar pushing down on the 3 man bar(while the right hand is still on the 3 man bar). The 3 man completes  a full rotation but is not left to spin around loosely. Of course all this is done very quickly and many times it is faked all together and a regular push shot is preformed.

Anyway, when the shot is completed is it legal?

Thanks in advance for your information.

Edit: Well I think I found out (from this forum) what the shot is technicaly called.

    Alien (shot), The: 
    A novelty shot in which the ball is moved on a rod intended for the right hand (2-bar or 3-bar, and in singles the 5-bar also), but upon being shot, is shot by cranking the rod with the left hand. Usually done with the 3-bar. See also "crank (shot)"

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« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 12:20:29 PM by Bleeq »

Offline Daniel

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Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 01:20:26 PM »
The Alien is a fun but illegal shot it is a distraction.

20.4 It is considered a distraction, after setting up a shot, to remove a hand from the handle and then immediately shoot the ball. The ball may only be shot after both hands (and/or wrist) have been on both handles for one full second

Here is a link to the rule book

http://www.table-soccer.org/rules/documents/ITSFRulesEnglish.pdf

Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 01:55:05 PM »
Thanks for the reply.

Ok so the way my partner uses it IS legal then as he places both hands on the bar for 1+ second before shooting?

When its on, its a very fast shot and is relatively easy to control ball release and angling.

I really would love to get down to the Kentucky State tournament in august as my oldest brother lives there.

I think some of our stuff might actually turn some heads :D

Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 03:13:13 AM »
no two hands on your shooting rod is illegal

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Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 04:58:11 PM »
no two hands on your shooting rod is illegal

so in effect you mean that you can't advance the ball from any rod with a two-handed grip, is that correct?

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Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 04:52:39 AM »
no two hands on your shooting rod is illegal

so in effect you mean that you can't advance the ball from any rod with a two-handed grip, is that correct?

Nope, wildcard, I believe Robert's wrong about that.  The only requirement is that the two hands must have been on that single rod /handle for at least one second, before any pass or shot is attempted.  That prevents it from being defined and called a distraction.

It isn't uncommon for defending forwards to put both hands on the 5bar handle, and if they block the ball and either pass it legally to the 3bar (ball is never stopped or pinned) making sure the ball touches and gets blocked off the forward part of the 5bar player figure's foot, they can immediately whack it back into the goal or jab it onto the 3bar for a caught pass.

In fact, I'm pretty sure you can play a whole match two-handed, if so desired, as long as any stopped balls aren't advanced only 1 rod area, and you wait at least a second before advancing the ball..

Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 01:00:39 PM »
20.4 It is considered a distraction, after setting up a shot, to remove a hand from the handle and then immediately shoot the ball. The ball may only be shot after both hands (and/or wrist) have been on both handles for one full second.


23.4 It is legal to have just one hand on the rods when playing defense (example: right hand on defensive five-man). It is also legal to use two hands to move one rod (example: defensive five-man). Excessive switching of the hand between the handles may be judged a distraction.

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Re: 2 hand push "spin" shot
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 05:40:54 PM »
20.4 It is considered a distraction, after setting up a shot, to remove a hand from the handle and then immediately shoot the ball. The ball may only be shot after both hands (and/or wrist) have been on both handles for one full second.

So Bleeq, there you have your answer... Ball may be shot with both your hands on the handle, as long as:
1. You didn't create a distraction when transferring your left hand to the right handle.
2. You wait a full second before shooting with the 3bar with both hands on it.

23.4 It is legal to have just one hand on the rods when playing defense (example: right hand on defensive five-man). It is also legal to use two hands to move one rod (example: defensive five-man). Excessive switching of the hand between the handles may be judged a distraction.

Here is the exact description and answer to your question.  "It is also legal to use two hands to move one rod..."  Like I said, you can play two-handed all game long, or switch to two-handed as often as you want, blocking the ball, moving the ball, shooting the ball.  AS LONG AS YOU DON"T CREATE A DISTRACTION with Excessive switching, which if not done quietly, can be a distraction, on a judgement call.