Topic: 2 man pull shots

[Steve]

I have seen almost all the top players use a pull on the 2 rod why is this ? They dont seem to be clearing the ball anymore than anyone else or makeing anymore shots .Why not use pullkicks or pushkicks ?

[gitablok]

Well first, there are the limitless options to clear and score the ball from the pull set. Second, there are the limitless options. And third, well......the limitless options.

Obviously, you've never seen Tommy, Terry, Rob Mares, Rob Atha, Bob Diaz, Todd Loffredo, Brandon Moreland, Tracy MacMillen, and the great Billy Pappas shoot of the two rod. I've seen the last three guys score 11 goals in one match from goal.

Granted, I never saw the old greats two rods, but I will go out on a limb here supported by guidewires. Billy Pappas has the greatest two rod past and present. His ball striking ability is unmatched by any one playing today. His ability to approach a hole with incredible and blinding speed and quickness and then deliver the ball on goal with superhuman power is just plain freakish. There were many who hit the ball hard, fast, quick, and could hit tiny holes. Billiy is the first to have all of those qualites rolled into one.

Just watch one of Billy's singles matches or when he plays goal for Trevor.

Imo, Billy is an alien, lol.


ICEMAN.

[bbtuna]

speaking of man-crush

[papafoos]

The main reason is simplicity.

The chances for a mistake are less with a pull or push than about any other shot.  Mixing in an occasional pullkick or pushkick can be very effective when the defense is keyed to stop a push or pull, but for the most part keep it simple.

I tell the kids here to try to play as mistake free as possible.  After every game, win or lose, think back about one mistake you made and try to improve on it.  Do that and you'll have a pretty solid game eventually.

You need to check out the video of Tmac in the finals at 2006 Worlds.  It might change your opinion of the pull from the two bar.

[Steve]

Well ice I did watch Todd in Mi. but I thought he was the exseption.Maybe  because I cant crank one up back there it dont have a lasting effect ,I use a front pin in the back and score well.Old schoolers used back pins with bank shot opptions.oh the good old days




 Steve aka showdown

[B,inSA]

steve- can you explain exactly how you use the front pin from the 2 bar. my snake is coming along nicely (on a warped harvard) and peeps are starting to ask me why i dont use it from the back. i like my pull/push from back there and mix in banks that people think are luck shots.

[Steve]

Its a euiro pin with a palm roll it has very little motion you can pull a long, short. reverse ,pullkick if you push hard in to the pk you can hit a bank shot but persent wise its not so great
.clearing the ball works good for me doing these shots.If I were starting out I would start doing pulls as most people have told me.

[PatRyan]

Start out learning the pull from the 2-man rod.  As that is what you will end up doing eventually anyway, once you progress more.  Just eliminate the process that all (many) of us went through, learning a push, only to have it stuffed back at you once you move up the ranks.  Start with the pull and stick with it.

[Old Meister]

From back I like to go with a smooth push, playing on the switch or I go to a tic tac palm from anywhere in the middle. A back pin pull kick that is mixed with a tic tac is good for me.  I guess I go with the flow, what ever is working and feels good, why limit yourself? I'll throw in a "7" shot once in a while too,,,

[B,inSA]

ok my terminology is terrible but ive come a long way
whats the difference between a europin,front pin and snake?

[B,inSA]

BTW, when it works my fav shot from two man is the pull from along the far wall that only moves about 1-2 inches and snaps in the goal
sometimes hits  the "7" hole

[B,inSA]

sorry, i guess that would be the "1"

[PatRyan]

OK, a little terminology for you.

Europin/front pin(as it is sometimes refered to) - ball pinned to the playing surface by the foot of the man where the ball is in front of the rod, pinned woth the back of the foot of the player figure.  sometimes called a front pin because of the positioning of the ball in relation to the rod of possesion.  The shot is done by starting with your HAND on the handle,you roll  out of the pin to one side or the other, then moving the foot of the man around the side of and to the back of the ball, then striking the ball forward (hopefully in the direction of the goal)all with the handles still in your hand. 

The rollover starts with the ball pinned in the same manner as described above.  but the shot is performed with your wrist on the handle, you then roll out of the pin (with your wrist still on the handle), thus moving the ball to one side or the other, you strike the ball by rolling the handles down your wrist and into your hand, whish causes the player figure to spin (rotate) around the rod and strike the back of the ball, propelling it forward (hopefully in the direction of the goal).



Other things, the holes are numbered across the goal mouth with hole #1 being the one closest to the person playing goalie.
thus the "7 hole" would be the long on a pullshot and a long pullsdie  for the snake.

a "7 shot" on the otherhand describes the path a ball takes when shot. For example, a dead man pull shot is a "7 shot" .  If you were to draw a line that follows the path of the ball, both the sideways and forward motions, what you would have looksw like a "7" drawn on the table.

Hope that helps

[bbtuna]

i have never heard anyone refer to the long hole as the 7 hole...I understand the reference to a deadman/cutback but I have never heard or seen the goal broken into more than 5 holes...I know you can only fit 5 balls accross the front - some space left but not enough for a 6th ball

so I can see referring to 1 or 2 or 2.5 etc and then add a 7 meaning a long cutback on either side (with the rollover, the 7 can be done on the push side too)

just thinkin and checkin...I could be wrong but that has been my understanding for quite a long time

[PatRyan]

I haven't measured in a while, but I think the 7 hole breakdown (on the tornado) refers to the number of men that fit across the goal opening, one number for each foot width hole, with the seven hole meaning deadman,  only 6 plus men fit across (if I remember correctly).  As I am at work and connot easily verify that my memory is working as I expect is should.

just my recollection.