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Above and Beyond
« on: February 26, 2010, 04:28:11 AM »
When your a beginner at any sport, you hope someone comes along and shows you the ropes. Your forum is great.

The act of taking the time to post experiences and knowledge not only adds to the board but also shows the integrity of its players.

A couple of months ago I posted a "Tornado Wanted" add in the Portland, OR Cr...slist. I received a response from a guy that I assumed was local. He wrote me several emails suggesting this forum, table facts, prices and why it would be a good idea to look at certain tables. I went ahead and bought one and was very pleased with the advice. After I purchased the table, I asked him to come over and play. It turns out the guy was from Missouri. Not the typical "drive over and play".

Since then, we have corresponded through email/phone and he has taken the time to suggest online videos, strategies and even track our local tournament. Just the other day, this fellow fooser sent my son some grips and some other gear that would help us learn the game, overnight mail. In all the sports I have been involved in, nobody has helped us out like this person. I hope some day I can pay it forward.

Thanks Snake Eyes (Kent), You went above and beyond.

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 10:08:19 AM »
One of the reasons I like foosball so much,    the people.

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 11:58:47 AM »
we should all stand up and applaude, Kent is a great example of what foosball should be especially at the grass roots and he is the kind of person you want as a friend for life...there are many others in foosball like him and that is something to be proud of...

those of us who play obviously play for the love of the game since fame, fortune, and power aren't really available...there are some stinkers as in everything in life but fortunately there are very few of these and many more like Kent

still, this is Hall of Fame type concern for the game and people

happy Friday and

GREAT JOB Kent!!!

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 12:21:18 PM »
Awesome story! For all the negativity in our world today, the friendships that do arise from foosball indeed seem to have a quality unlike most others. Thanks for sharing this.

Tyler

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 12:28:59 PM »
Just trying to express my love for the game many people live life with no passion for anything.I would have done the same for anybody else. Thanks for the compliments fellas. Hey Paul what does Colton think of that new grip? Charles are you going to Nebraska with the gang?

Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 03:07:38 PM »
great comraderie! just out of curiosity, what kind of grips were they? kinda a new thing for me too, as i don't remember anybody usin em in the 70's. i've got yonex yellow and foosball.com black to match the handles on my table right now, but about a month ago i played on some white ones a guy had at the liquid co that i liked better.

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2010, 03:56:54 PM »
Mudfarmer- They were "whatagrip" brand. They are a slide on tube style grip, incredibly tacky and very thin. The only draw back is they don't last very long. Probly can find them at your local sporting goods store, they are made for Tennis Raquet handles.


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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2010, 03:57:45 PM »
Kent,
no, not going, just had a long text exchange with Chris T about it...wish i could, been out of work since November...i just hope i can right the ship for July...if you want to come to town once in a while, i have a guest room and can put you up rather than make the 2 1/2 hour trip two ways same day

Grips,  

here is a composit of some I have written on this in the past...

okay, wow, this is a stupid long post on wraps but I am...well, my friends might say touched, well, really they would say anal retentive or obsessive compulsive about this stuff or just stupid...so, for what its worth, here you go....

haven't tried them but when they start talking about "cushion" that usually means added thickness and i am not a fan of adding thickness to handles i think are already too thick...some day, when we can customize handles, i think it will be shown over time that the thinner the handle, the better performance (thinner and without dips an flairs and such - maybe the flat sides like on the current Tornado or on a Tennis or Racket Ball racket or one side like on some golf clubs - but i tend to think it will be more the shape of the shaft of a baseball bat but with no widening or change in circumference and for some, an end like a bat)

this is true for sure with the rollover since a thinner handle reduces the rotation thus increasing the speed of the spin part of the shot...but i think it will be found that it has a similiar benefit when pull shooters get used to the change in their stroke since the movement swinging your man back and down will benefit from increased speed for the same reasons rollovers benefit...it will make shooting middles easier...it will also improve the defiancies with a push shot but will not be able to fully overcome the physical issues with a long squared off or cut back pull.

thinner changable handles were tested and this one had heads turning from some big name rollover shooters http://www.foosballpro.com/foosball_product_photo.php?cat=Quik-Change%20Foosball%20Handles&item=5187.987987988
Terry Moore thought it was significant enough improvement to possiblily be considered an unfair advantage

now on rolling up a wrap, you don't have to keep your wraps that way, i never roll mine, i keep them lose acting like they don't care and just stuff them in a pocket or bag all willy nilly...still when i do neaten them up, i always use a fold method because I am not a fan of rolling them up either - too much work.  i just do fold them in half, half again, again, and again and like magic, they are in more or less the same configuration as when i got them...but again, i like them unwraped and crazy... like my game  

with all that said, if it is important to you, you should buy one or two of a bunch of different ones until you find what you really like ...I have purchased everything I have ever heard of and then some including tubes, gloves, and everything else available searching for what fit me best

a year in or so i settled on Wilson White Overgrips (color changes a grip a lot, so the black Wilson Overgrips are not the same)...good combination of thin and stickie (not too much of either and i could buy rolls of 30 for about a dollar each

then at the end, after i had committed to the Wilson, master wraps are at foosball.com...they are broken down into basically two groups..thick and tackey and thin extra tacky...I use the thin extra tacky which come in only 4 colors Light Blue, Red, Yellow, and White...the red are by far the tackiest out (more than any other wrap I have used) but don't last nearly as long as the light blue because they are thinner and if you are taking them on and off, they sort of self-destruct...the white aren't different enough for me to want to use them...I HIGHLY recommend the Light Blue (Yellow came later and were the best but something changed last time I ordered them and they were like a different wrap from a different company so I can’t recommend them until I know they are good again)

the thick ones come in many colors and the tackiness varies a little by color as noted above but the one thing they all have in common is that they are thicker and I am agin this because the handles are already “thick” enough – still, many people really like them

everything else is crap....just kidding, to each their own

however, with that said, there is no "best" wrap, it is personal preference, cost, and need (how much does your hand sweat)

I have tried many wraps, tubes/rubbers, and even golf gloves like we used to use in the old days (and Nathan Winter and Fredric C. still use)

I recommend, according to your budget, to try all kinds and see what works best for you...buy one or two of as many different brands as you can and start working your way through them until you find what works best for you (try tubes and such too)

going to Walmart and/or a Sporting Goods store will get you started in the right direction and you won't have to wait for the online ones...however, try a bunch online, these are overgrips foosers have used for years so they work with our application

colors make a big difference even in the same brand and model...somehow the dye used changes their texture

start at foosball.com [link=http://store.yahoo.com/foosdirect-store/wraps.html newwindow]Foosball.com shop online[/link]

and order like one or two of everything there...when you get a chance go to a tennis online and you will find a bunch of other brands

a good friend of mine uses Yonex (lime green) and I have seriously considered switching because they are a little more tackie in the beginning, they last almost as long on side 1 (not as good, but usuable, side 2), they are quite a bit longer, and they are thin yet some how, are sort of spongie...cool combo, and I haven't figured out quite how they do it

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 03:10:19 AM »
I can second the motion about Kent. I live in Missouri and had been going to the Lake Ozark area for vacation for a few years now. When I'm there, Kent hooks me up with a few days of playing with the locals, and texts me to tell me when they are getting together to play. Instead of going through foosball withdrawals for a week, Kent made sure that I felt welcome and had fun while I was there. Kudos to Kent, a helluva guy and a good fooser, too!

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 09:18:56 AM »
Would this happen to be Kent Rhoades?  The actions seem to fit, but the part that throws me is the snake.

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Re: Above and Beyond
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 09:40:26 AM »
No Papa it's Kent Hughes. I wish I was Pro Master ranked!!