Thanks Zeke. I sent you a FB message asking you about many of these. The push-kick, dink, and tic-tac were all helpful. One question though. On Bonzini a pull to a chip angle, off the tic-tac, is very successful since there's so much room there. That also forces the defender to guard tighter, leaving the push kick more room. I wonder if that would work on Tornado as well. Any thoughts? I'll have to give it a shot the next time I see a Tornado.