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Offline EDGEER

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USTSA Points
« on: January 25, 2010, 02:37:37 AM »
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« Last Edit: January 26, 2010, 04:20:13 PM by EDGEER »

Offline EDGEER

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 02:38:03 AM »
Please visit

http://www.vifa.com/points2010/

Also, make sure to check out the 2010 Hall of Fame Flyer at

http://www.vifa.com/pdf/2010/2010HOF%20Tournament.pdf
« Last Edit: January 26, 2010, 04:20:40 PM by EDGEER »

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 02:39:37 AM »
Thanks for posting your responses I will try to answer a few.  

Currently, doubles points determine your Division (Rank).  Since the last major reset in 2006 very few people straddled two divisions.  As time has gone by more and  more players have moved past the threshold between divisions in one rating or the other.  Some by outstanding play, and others because they are specialist in one event type.  

As we proceed the USTSA wants to look into different ways to market tournament play to these players. However, packaged deals makes this process difficult.  So for now and until a solution is determined as to how to best serve these players, you will see a few players that have singles points that do not match their division.

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15 years later and i still have 2200!!!! I am the man.

Yes and No.
Starting this year if a player has not renewed their USTSA membership since 2004 they have been removed from the active list and placed on an non-published inactive list.   Also, we are going to start deducting points from players that do not play in a USTSA event each year or renew their USTSA membership annually.

Gena, I will have to check into your question.  I believe this is telling us that Moya can buy a Men's Semi-pro package or a Woman's Pro-master package.  However, not both.


There are a bunch of players we need to come out and play that do not because they don't want to lose there "Official Rank".  Hopefully, they will return at some point.  But the way it is now there is no compulsion to play and they still get the bragging rights to go along with it.  We need to get these folks off the sideline and back playing, at least once a year.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2010, 02:41:25 AM by EDGEER »

Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 09:52:37 AM »
Ed, I can see a number of Pro masters got reset to Pro at 2200. How the hell were these picked? If you are bumping Joe Rhodes down to pro you should have bumped down about 40 others too. There are a ton of examples of Pro Masters that should have been bumped down over an active pro master with decent results.

Just glancing at the list, Sam Dill, Mike Vandenbosch, Bill Maloney, Beau Murphy, Brian Piper, Merlin Arment, Loyd Mandel... These guys were never dominate and havent played in 5 years.

Offline bbtuna

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 10:11:25 AM »
Joe is a great example because he played Pro last year in IFP and killed it and Joe is one of the top 20 best players in the country

and you dropped JP Brown out of Pro and he may not be a high ranking pro but he is not semi either and if he gets to play semi I am certain he will be happy about that, he can actually go to the tournaments and make some money again

Offline EDGEER

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 10:28:10 AM »
People on the sidelines have always been a problem.  You move them up and they quit playing, you move them down, they get offended and quit playing.  You have to draw a line somewhere.  I agree with you on most in your list and as time goes by they will be eventually dropped out of the Master division. 

Same is true about people on the fence between divisions, they have always been a problem.  I am not going to be the one to pick and choose.  I think the system is very accurate within a range.  The seeding of masters in Open events may have to be abandoned because masters do not get enough matches to build a cushion in case they lose to a Semi-pro or low rated pro team as Joe did at worlds. However, he did and if he truly is a Mater he should pick up the points necessary to become a master once again.

Offline EDGEER

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 10:32:29 AM »
Ed, I can see a number of Pro masters got reset to Pro at 2200.

They have an expiration date of 2003 or earlier I think.

Offline bbtuna

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 10:36:31 AM »
i guess the issue is that you don't have all the IFP data but to let one tournament drop someone like Joe into Pro for an entire year is not accurate...could be longer since Tornado doesn't have that many tournaments

Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 11:07:48 AM »
What? He played with a sponsor, no offense to Steve, but its not like he played with another promaster. If you are not going to be the one to pick and choose, who did? Or did anyone who's doubles rating dropped below the line get auto reset? He's top 30 in the world in singles who have actually played since Elo started. This is bad Ed, its great for Joe, but you are gonna have a division of players that will be pretty upset. I assume Texas State was ignored in this?

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 11:10:45 AM »
I guess that is your opinion.  He was borderline to start with at 2412 doubles points.

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 11:13:52 AM »
Not trying to sound like a smart ass but, I guess he should pick his partners a little more wisely. Listen had he won a few matches he would have gained a bucket load of points.  That's the risk he took playing with a low ranked pro.  How can the system be at fault for this type of deal?
« Last Edit: January 26, 2010, 11:18:37 AM by EDGEER »

Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 11:22:17 AM »
Because it was stated clearly before, that someone would not drop rankings if they crossed the threshold. To prevent things like this.

Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 11:24:13 AM »
What happens when a player loses enough points to move down a rank? Let me state that our primary objective is to maintain an
accurate rating system. How that rating system affects the ranking system can be done in many different ways. The current plan
is laid out so that you must fall below a certain threshold and remain there for a period of time before USTSA will consider lowering
your ranking. For example, if you gain enough points to hit 1800 you will become a pro, but you will need to fall below 1600 points
and remain there for an extended period of time before USTSA will consider adjusting your ranking.

Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2010, 11:25:18 AM »
And again, was Texas State not counted? And is Mixed no longer counted?

Offline EDGEER

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Re: USTSA Points
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2010, 11:42:39 AM »
Texas State is in the current book.  Why do you think mixed should be a rated event?